VE Instrument Cluster EEPROM Programming

[jezzab]

The series 2 (or black backed) ODO calculations are completely different and far more complex than the S1 clusters. They are made by two different companies
And I could tell it was under 30,000km because thats the next service due in the cluster

[Pavi]

Thanx again jezzab
So wht is the solution for that, so I need tech 2 to do programming. Or there is a possibility to do via eeprom
thanx for any help again

[Ruley]

Hi everyone,
I have been trying to upgrade my S2 SV6 Cluster into a triple gauge cluster from a Calais, Ive been attempting to program it through a tech 2 but it wasn't being playing nice because the part number is incompatible with the car. I have attached my 2 dumps(original and calais that Ive been programming). The odometer and all the settings should be correct, just not sure on the VIN as it just says needs programming when plugged in. The only difference in settings between these dumps should be the TPMS as I just installed these and the ODO

Any help in getting the Cluster to work would be greatly appreciated, Ive been playing with a few dumps and I'm starting to learn which each off set mods but I still dont understand the majority works

[cccthomastown]

New to the forum and hopefully asking a question in the correct manner.
I have a Ve 8.5. I fitted a series 2 SV6 IC without programming and everything functions except the cruise control. No warning lights or error messages. I have scanned with a tech 2 and getting a data/vin mismatch code as expected.
I opened my original cluster and read the data from the eeprom using my Scorpio Orange 5 reader. I found the vin number location with help from this forum. I then got another donor series 1 IC and modified the vin number to match my car. I fitted the cluster and all good excepting the different odometer reading.
Am I able to write the vin number to the series 2 IC without any further issues ? And will the cruise control work ?
The original IC has the white back panel.
I did attempt to SPS the series 2 IC but got a hardware error. I am thinking that once I match the vin number that I may be able to reflash it.
Any help really appreciated

[TazzI]

New to the forum and hopefully asking a question in the correct manner.
I have a Ve 8.5. I fitted a series 2 SV6 IC without programming and everything functions except the cruise control. No warning lights or error messages. I have scanned with a tech 2 and getting a data/vin mismatch code as expected.
I opened my original cluster and read the data from the eeprom using my Scorpio Orange 5 reader. I found the vin number location with help from this forum. I then got another donor series 1 IC and modified the vin number to match my car. I fitted the cluster and all good excepting the different odometer reading.
Am I able to write the vin number to the series 2 IC without any further issues ? And will the cruise control work ?
The original IC has the white back panel.
I did attempt to SPS the series 2 IC but got a hardware error. I am thinking that once I match the vin number that I may be able to reflash it.
Any help really appreciated

Your not going to be able to SPS your series2 cluster using your VIN since your vehicle is a series1. The actual hardware internally is different, and made by different manufactures. Even if you trick SPS, the cluster will not take the update regardless as its incompatible.

To get it working, cluster needs to have correct body, engine, trans, suspension, vin ect otherwise you'll get errors or weird behaviors

[cccthomastown]

Hey Tazzi, thanks so much for the reply.
I understand that the hardware is different but was hoping to trick tis2web by changing the vin number and then hoping that it would reflash. I pulled apart the S2 cluster and noticed that I have to remove the fascia needles to try and access the eeprom. (I'm a little nervous on taking the needles off). I have looked on the forum for the various codes and eeprom location but haven't managed to find it. Any info out there ?, surely would be appreciated.

On a side note, I got a VE IQ from a seller on Gumtree. I purchased a patch harness cable and connected the radio. As expected I had the security lockout message. I connected a Tech2 and tried to obtain the vin number that was stored in the IRC but kept getting unknown ecu errors. I then connected the IRC to an MY12 VE and tried to connect via the Tech2, same unknown ecu error. If I have the original VIN stored in the IRC, I can get the immobiliser security pin code and then do a reset to the IRC which in effect sets it to a new status allowing me to put a new VIN in. I then decided to pull apart the IRC and access the eeprom. Found it and tried to read it which it successfully did but all of the bin coding and hex read outs were set to 0. I also noticed that this IRC had come from a reputable aftermarket enhancement shop that specialises in retrofits. Not sure if something has been reset or the seller on eBay had a crack at eeprom work and wiped the memory of the eeprom. Any thoughts would truly be appreciated.....

[TazzI]

Hey Tazzi, thanks so much for the reply.
I understand that the hardware is different but was hoping to trick tis2web by changing the vin number and then hoping that it would reflash.

This is what I was talking about, the cluster physically will not accept a series1 firmware update, the hardware is not compatible. Theres no 'maybe's about it, its like saying an iphones update can be put into an android phone... its just not gonna happen

If in some bizarre world that it did work.. this would instantaneous break the cluster.. no eepromming will save that.

I pulled apart the S2 cluster and noticed that I have to remove the fascia needles to try and access the eeprom. (I'm a little nervous on taking the needles off). I have looked on the forum for the various codes and eeprom location but haven't managed to find it. Any info out there ?, surely would be appreciated.

To get the needles off, Iv always used two spoons. Slip them under each side and lever it off slowly. Never had an issue, been doing that since the VT cluster days! Many hundreds of clusters without a problem!

Ah, I dont think theres any/much information about the S2 VE clusters. Its not been well documented as the main contributors could no longer stand cowboys taking the information posted up and making a complete mess with 'services' on ebay.

On a side note, I got a VE IQ from a seller on Gumtree. I purchased a patch harness cable and connected the radio. As expected I had the security lockout message. I connected a Tech2 and tried to obtain the vin number that was stored in the IRC but kept getting unknown ecu errors. I then connected the IRC to an MY12 VE and tried to connect via the Tech2, same unknown ecu error. If I have the original VIN stored in the IRC, I can get the immobiliser security pin code and then do a reset to the IRC which in effect sets it to a new status allowing me to put a new VIN in.

There is no option to enter in a a vin or security link an IQ headunit.
Not sure were you got that information from, but the immobiliser security code has nothing to do with the radio.

I then decided to pull apart the IRC and access the eeprom. Found it and tried to read it which it successfully did but all of the bin coding and hex read outs were set to 0. I also noticed that this IRC had come from a reputable aftermarket enhancement shop that specialises in retrofits. Not sure if something has been reset or the seller on eBay had a crack at eeprom work and wiped the memory of the eeprom. Any thoughts would truly be appreciated.....

Did the IQ come from Gumtree or Ebay?
If gumtree, anything could have been done to it, the common selling reason is:
"I was going to put it in but couldnt be bothered"
which usually translates to:
"I tried messing with the eeprom and F***ed up".

Alternatively, your programmer doesnt want to read on board which can also cause all 0 or all FF.

The headunit is firing up which is a good sign, just needs to be linked in.
If looking to get it up and running quickly, your welcome to contact me for details on a remote flash box.

[cccthomastown]

Hey Tazzl,
Thanks again for the reply. There is an option on the Tech2 for an ECU reset on every module fitted to the car. I own my own workshop and have access to tis2web. The security immobiliser code is required whenever you want to reset an ecu back to a non programmed state. When you reflash the control unit, the 4 digit security code is required to finalise the link. I fit secondhand units almost on a daily basis and an immobiliser pin code (security code) is always required. That being said, I haven't tried fitting an iq unit yet but can definitely assure you that the ecu reset option is there in the iq module.

You are correct in saying that different firmware versions are not interchangeable. I have only recently started doing eeprom work so it is all new to me. I was trying to see if I could make it work but already inputting a vin number into the eeprom. I have no problem in doing eeprom vin writing in like for like clusters, ecu's, abs modules etc.

My eeprom reader is a high quality unit costing more than 1k. If it is unable to read the eeprom, it sends a chip not responding message.

Once again, thanks for your interest and I'll contact you about getting this iq unit up and running as it's for my sons car and very keen to make it happen.

[TazzI]

Hey Tazzl,
Thanks again for the reply. There is an option on the Tech2 for an ECU reset on every module fitted to the car. I own my own workshop and have access to tis2web. The security immobiliser code is required whenever you want to reset an ecu back to a non programmed state. When you reflash the control unit, the 4 digit security code is required to finalise the link. I fit secondhand units almost on a daily basis and an immobiliser pin code (security code) is always required. That being said, I haven't tried fitting an iq unit yet but can definitely assure you that the ecu reset option is there in the iq module.

Ah I see the confusion, theres a difference between security related modules and non-security related modules.
ECM's and other security related modules will have a 'reset' option, as again, that is to do with the immobiliser security to prevent theft. Its got nothing to do with body modules such as the VE headunit.
Other vehicles/makes may have reset options for all modules, but the VE doesnt for almost all its components. Perfect example, the instrument cluster.. or BCM.. or EBCM.. or hvac.. ect.

I have no problem in doing eeprom vin writing in like for like clusters, ecu's, abs modules etc.

My eeprom reader is a high quality unit costing more than 1k. If it is unable to read the eeprom, it sends a chip not responding message.

Once again, thanks for your interest and I'll contact you about getting this iq unit up and running as it's for my sons car and very keen to make it happen.

Don't always assume your programmer works for everything. (I learnt the hard way).
Different circuit boards, designs, eeproms ect will influence your ability to read incircuit.

EEproms aren't very 'smart', I mean.. they don't report back errors or problems. Regardless of the programmer used, if the eeprom doesnt get a good enough connection, power, ground ect then all you will see is either 0's or 1's. Another thing to keep in mind, some eeproms do have security locks, preventing unauthorized read/writing.

So you could have the best programmer on the market, but they all access the information the same way.

Funny enough, my el'cheapo $8 programmer which connects via the old serial port can read some modules incircuit where my multiple hundred $$ one can't.
The difference being the el'cheapo outputs more preventing power hungry circuit boards dissipating power when reading/writing.

[jezzab]

Hey Tazzl,
Thanks again for the reply. There is an option on the Tech2 for an ECU reset on every module fitted to the car. I own my own workshop and have access to tis2web. The security immobiliser code is required whenever you want to reset an ecu back to a non programmed state. When you reflash the control unit, the 4 digit security code is required to finalise the link. I fit secondhand units almost on a daily basis and an immobiliser pin code (security code) is always required. That being said, I haven't tried fitting an iq unit yet but can definitely assure you that the ecu reset option is there in the iq module.

You are correct in saying that different firmware versions are not interchangeable. I have only recently started doing eeprom work so it is all new to me. I was trying to see if I could make it work but already inputting a vin number into the eeprom. I have no problem in doing eeprom vin writing in like for like clusters, ecu's, abs modules etc.

My eeprom reader is a high quality unit costing more than 1k. If it is unable to read the eeprom, it sends a chip not responding message.

Once again, thanks for your interest and I'll contact you about getting this iq unit up and running as it's for my sons car and very keen to make it happen.

There is NOT an option to reset every module on a VE. You can reset the ECM, that is it> VE's don't have a PIM module so you can reset that like you can on a VZ. Immo module cannot be reset and is one use only (its the actual code in it that depicts everything). BCM cant be reset (VF you can but we are talking VE here). RFA cannot be reset, Radio cannot be reset, EBCM cannot be reset, SDM cannot be reset, IPC cannot be reset (can on VF but we are talking VE here) and non of those module require the immo code to be linked